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Speaker: Tracey Porteous, Ending Violence Association of BC<\/h2>\r\n

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Video Transcript<\/h2>\r\nJennifer Jordan: Next,<\/span> I<\/span> would<\/span> like<\/span> to<\/span> introduce<\/span> Tracy<\/span> Porteous,<\/span> Executive<\/span> Director,<\/span> Ending<\/span> Violence<\/span> Association<\/span> of<\/span> BC,<\/span> to<\/span> present<\/span> on<\/span> best<\/span> practices<\/span> in<\/span> SVM<\/span> policies.<\/span>\r\n\r\nJennifer Jordan: Hi.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: Does<\/span> this<\/span> one<\/span> work?<\/span> I<\/span> think<\/span> I'll<\/span> use<\/span> this<\/span> one.<\/span> And<\/span> this<\/span> one<\/span> works,<\/span> too,<\/span> right?<\/span>\r\n\r\nRobynne Devine: Yeah,<\/span> they<\/span> both<\/span> work.<\/span> [inaudible<\/span> 00:00:36].<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: I<\/span> want<\/span> it<\/span> do<\/span> that.<\/span>\r\n\r\nRobynne Devine: Oh,<\/span> you<\/span> want<\/span> it<\/span> to<\/span> be<\/span> on<\/span> the<\/span> thing,<\/span> on<\/span> the<\/span> main<\/span> [inaudible<\/span> 00:00:00:42]?<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: Yeah,<\/span> I<\/span> just<\/span> want<\/span> to<\/span> put<\/span> the<\/span> films<\/span> to<\/span> start<\/span> with.<\/span>\r\n\r\nNews Reporter: It's<\/span> the<\/span> third<\/span> attack<\/span> on<\/span> campus<\/span> in<\/span> as<\/span> many<\/span> weeks.<\/span>\r\n\r\nPolice Officer: This<\/span> man<\/span> did<\/span> manage<\/span> to<\/span> get<\/span> his<\/span> hand<\/span> up<\/span> her<\/span> skirt,<\/span> and<\/span> rip<\/span> at<\/span> some<\/span> of<\/span> her<\/span> clothing<\/span> under<\/span> her<\/span> skirt,<\/span> and<\/span> also<\/span> punched<\/span> her<\/span> in<\/span> the<\/span> face.<\/span>\r\n\r\nPolice Officer: Three<\/span> counts<\/span> of<\/span> first<\/span> degree<\/span> murder.<\/span>\r\n\r\nNews Reporter: 18-year-old<\/span> [Vendice 00:01:05]<\/span> was<\/span> beaten<\/span> to<\/span> death<\/span> on<\/span> the<\/span> train<\/span> tracks<\/span> beside<\/span> the<\/span> trail.<\/span>\r\n\r\nCrowd: (singing)<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: That's<\/span> just<\/span> a<\/span> small<\/span> clip<\/span> from<\/span> a<\/span> film<\/span> that<\/span> we<\/span> did<\/span> a<\/span> few<\/span> years<\/span> ago<\/span> called<\/span> Be<\/span> More<\/span> Than<\/span> a<\/span> Bystander:<\/span> Break<\/span> the<\/span> Silence<\/span> on<\/span> Violence<\/span> Against<\/span> Women.<\/span> It's<\/span> a<\/span> campaign<\/span> that<\/span> we<\/span> have<\/span> with<\/span> the<\/span> BC<\/span> Lions<\/span> Football<\/span> Club,<\/span> but<\/span> I'm<\/span> not<\/span> going<\/span> to<\/span> talk<\/span> about<\/span> that<\/span> so<\/span> much<\/span> today.<\/span> I<\/span> just<\/span> like<\/span> to<\/span> start<\/span> with<\/span> a<\/span> grounding<\/span> of<\/span> where<\/span> we're<\/span> at,<\/span> and<\/span> I<\/span> think<\/span> that<\/span> gender-based<\/span> violence<\/span> is<\/span> an<\/span> all<\/span> too<\/span> stark<\/span> reality.<\/span> Many<\/span> people<\/span> this<\/span> morning,<\/span> students<\/span> included,<\/span> talked<\/span> about<\/span> this<\/span> being<\/span> an<\/span> epidemic.<\/span> We've<\/span> never<\/span> seen<\/span> the<\/span> amount<\/span> of<\/span> awareness<\/span> that<\/span> we<\/span> see<\/span> now<\/span> on<\/span> the<\/span> issue<\/span> of<\/span> gender-based<\/span> violence<\/span> on<\/span> campuses<\/span> and<\/span> outside<\/span> of<\/span> campuses,<\/span> on<\/span> the<\/span> military,<\/span> the<\/span> RCMP,<\/span> in<\/span> every<\/span> culture,<\/span> in<\/span> every<\/span> community.<\/span> And<\/span> I<\/span> think<\/span> a<\/span> lot<\/span> has<\/span> changed<\/span> over<\/span> the<\/span> last<\/span> year.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: This<\/span> year<\/span> marks<\/span> my<\/span> 38th<\/span> year<\/span> of<\/span> being<\/span> involved<\/span> in<\/span> the<\/span> response<\/span> in<\/span> BC<\/span> to<\/span> sexual<\/span> violence.<\/span> And<\/span> I<\/span> can<\/span> say<\/span> that<\/span> from<\/span> my<\/span> first<\/span> person's<\/span> perspective,<\/span> I've<\/span> seen<\/span> a<\/span> lot<\/span> of<\/span> change.<\/span> We<\/span> still<\/span> have<\/span> miles<\/span> to<\/span> go<\/span> unfortunately.<\/span> But<\/span> there's<\/span> a<\/span> lot<\/span> that's<\/span> changed<\/span> in<\/span> our<\/span> province.<\/span> And<\/span> I<\/span> think<\/span> it's<\/span> important<\/span> that<\/span> we<\/span> acknowledge<\/span> that.<\/span> And<\/span> I<\/span> think<\/span> CJ<\/span> alluded<\/span> to<\/span> this<\/span> in<\/span> terms<\/span> of<\/span> giving<\/span> credit<\/span> to<\/span> anti-violence<\/span> leaders<\/span> that<\/span> have<\/span> brought<\/span> forward<\/span> requests<\/span> for<\/span> change<\/span> and<\/span> lobbied<\/span> for<\/span> change.<\/span> And<\/span> I<\/span> think<\/span> before<\/span> those<\/span> voices<\/span> from<\/span> the<\/span> anti-violence<\/span> programs<\/span> came<\/span> forward<\/span> were<\/span> the<\/span> voices<\/span> of<\/span> survivors,<\/span> and<\/span> I<\/span> think<\/span> that's<\/span> a<\/span> grounding<\/span> that<\/span> we<\/span> must<\/span> all<\/span> hold<\/span> dear<\/span> in<\/span> our<\/span> hearts.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: Imagine<\/span> the<\/span> experiences<\/span> of<\/span> survivors<\/span> in<\/span> the<\/span> '60s<\/span> and<\/span> '70s<\/span> who<\/span> were<\/span> trying<\/span> to<\/span> find<\/span> a<\/span> place<\/span> to<\/span> come<\/span> forward<\/span> to<\/span> talk<\/span> about<\/span> the<\/span> sexual<\/span> violence<\/span> they<\/span> experienced<\/span> before<\/span> there<\/span> were<\/span> sexual<\/span> assault<\/span> centers,<\/span> before<\/span> there<\/span> were<\/span> community-based<\/span> victim<\/span> assistance<\/span> programs,<\/span> before<\/span> there<\/span> was<\/span> any<\/span> kind<\/span> of<\/span> awareness<\/span> about<\/span> these<\/span> issues<\/span> in<\/span> society.<\/span> We<\/span> now<\/span> have<\/span> under<\/span> the<\/span> EVA<\/span> umbrella<\/span> 150<\/span> programs<\/span> in<\/span> the<\/span> province<\/span> of<\/span> BC<\/span> who<\/span> are<\/span> all<\/span> made<\/span> up<\/span> of<\/span> subject<\/span> matter<\/span> experts<\/span> in<\/span> the<\/span> area<\/span> of<\/span> sexual<\/span> assault<\/span> and<\/span> other<\/span> kinds<\/span> of<\/span> sexual<\/span> violence<\/span> that<\/span> people<\/span> experience.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: And<\/span> that's<\/span> because<\/span> survivors<\/span> spoke<\/span> up.<\/span> Think<\/span> about<\/span> the<\/span> experiences<\/span> of<\/span> survivors<\/span> who<\/span> came<\/span> forward<\/span> to<\/span> report<\/span> to<\/span> the<\/span> police<\/span> before<\/span> they<\/span> had<\/span> any<\/span> training.<\/span> So<\/span> that<\/span> was<\/span> a<\/span> long<\/span> time<\/span> ago<\/span> that<\/span> survivors<\/span> began<\/span> to<\/span> come<\/span> forward.<\/span> And<\/span> just<\/span> now<\/span> we're<\/span> on<\/span> the<\/span> verge<\/span> of<\/span> seeing<\/span> wide-scale<\/span> training<\/span> for<\/span> RCMP<\/span> and<\/span> municipal<\/span> police<\/span> members<\/span> across<\/span> the<\/span> country.<\/span> And<\/span> that's<\/span> because<\/span> of<\/span> the<\/span> voices<\/span> of<\/span> survivors<\/span> that<\/span> pushed<\/span> for<\/span> and<\/span> ended<\/span> up<\/span> in<\/span> The<\/span> Globe<\/span> and<\/span> Mail<\/span> Unfounded<\/span> series<\/span> that<\/span> we<\/span> saw<\/span> published<\/span> by<\/span> Robyn<\/span> Doolittle<\/span> a<\/span> couple<\/span> of<\/span> years<\/span> ago.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: Take<\/span> the<\/span> experiences<\/span> of<\/span> survivors<\/span> who<\/span> came<\/span> forward<\/span> to<\/span> hospitals<\/span> who<\/span> needed<\/span> medical<\/span> care<\/span> and<\/span> who<\/span> also<\/span> wanted<\/span> forensic<\/span> evidence<\/span> collected<\/span> that<\/span> were<\/span> met<\/span> at<\/span> hospitals<\/span> and<\/span> healthcare<\/span> centers<\/span> without<\/span> the<\/span> best<\/span> informed<\/span> response,<\/span> were<\/span> met<\/span> by<\/span> people<\/span> in<\/span> the<\/span> healthcare<\/span> system<\/span> who<\/span> unknowingly<\/span> passed<\/span> judgment<\/span> and<\/span> didn't<\/span> provide<\/span> a<\/span> trauma-informed<\/span> response.<\/span> In<\/span> those<\/span> days,<\/span> and<\/span> in<\/span> some<\/span> cases<\/span> it's<\/span> still<\/span> the<\/span> case,<\/span> the<\/span> forensic<\/span> kit<\/span> demands<\/span> that<\/span> healthcare<\/span> people<\/span> pluck<\/span> 30<\/span> pubic<\/span> hairs.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: Can<\/span> you<\/span> imagine<\/span> after<\/span> being<\/span> raped<\/span> going<\/span> to<\/span> the<\/span> hospital<\/span> and<\/span> them<\/span> wanting<\/span> to<\/span> take<\/span> tweezers<\/span> and<\/span> pluck<\/span> out<\/span> 30<\/span> pubic<\/span> hairs<\/span> so<\/span> they<\/span> could<\/span> have<\/span> the<\/span> ability<\/span> to<\/span> test<\/span> DNA<\/span> from<\/span> your<\/span> hair,<\/span> from<\/span> your<\/span> follicle?<\/span> There's<\/span> lots<\/span> of<\/span> work<\/span> that's<\/span> happened<\/span> over<\/span> the<\/span> last<\/span> number<\/span> of<\/span> years<\/span> by<\/span> community-based<\/span> advocates<\/span> and<\/span> healthcare<\/span> advocates<\/span> and<\/span> nurse<\/span> examiners<\/span> to<\/span> create<\/span> their<\/span> own<\/span> forensic<\/span> kits<\/span> so<\/span> the<\/span> plucking<\/span> of<\/span> pubic<\/span> hairs<\/span> isn't<\/span> done<\/span> anymore.<\/span> And<\/span> that's<\/span> also<\/span> because<\/span> of<\/span> thanks<\/span> to<\/span> many<\/span> academics<\/span> who<\/span> tell<\/span> us<\/span> that<\/span> the<\/span> admission<\/span> of<\/span> DNA<\/span> evidence<\/span> from<\/span> pubic<\/span> hair<\/span> follicles<\/span> is<\/span> hardly<\/span> ever<\/span> raised<\/span> in<\/span> court.<\/span> So<\/span> why<\/span> pluck<\/span> pubic<\/span> hairs<\/span> from<\/span> every<\/span> single<\/span> sexual<\/span> assault<\/span> survivor<\/span> when<\/span> it's<\/span> never<\/span> used?<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: We've<\/span> been<\/span> working<\/span> really<\/span> closely<\/span> with<\/span> BC<\/span> Women's<\/span> Hospital<\/span> and<\/span> Surrey<\/span> Memorial<\/span> Hospital<\/span> and<\/span> they'd<\/span> been<\/span> developing<\/span> a<\/span> training<\/span> for<\/span> nurse<\/span> examiners<\/span> and<\/span> physicians<\/span> across<\/span> the<\/span> province<\/span> and<\/span> helping<\/span> build<\/span> sexual<\/span> assault<\/span> response<\/span> services.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: There's<\/span> about<\/span> 100<\/span> hospitals<\/span> in<\/span> the<\/span> province<\/span> and<\/span> there's<\/span> only<\/span> about<\/span> 16<\/span> of<\/span> them<\/span> that<\/span> have<\/span> a<\/span> specialized<\/span> sexual<\/span> assault<\/span> response.<\/span> So<\/span> obviously<\/span> we<\/span> have<\/span> a<\/span> long<\/span> ways<\/span> to<\/span> go,<\/span> but<\/span> think<\/span> about<\/span> the<\/span> experiences<\/span> of<\/span> survivors<\/span> pre-1983<\/span> who<\/span> came<\/span> forward<\/span> to<\/span> report<\/span> and<\/span> seek<\/span> justice<\/span> when<\/span> the<\/span> criminal<\/span> code<\/span> only<\/span> had<\/span> a<\/span> couple<\/span> of<\/span> things<\/span> that<\/span> people<\/span> could<\/span> be<\/span> charged<\/span> with.<\/span> One<\/span> was<\/span> rape,<\/span> which<\/span> was<\/span> only<\/span> a<\/span> heterosexual<\/span> experience,<\/span> and<\/span> the<\/span> other<\/span> one<\/span> was<\/span> gross<\/span> indecency.<\/span> So<\/span> because<\/span> of<\/span> survivors<\/span> and<\/span> because<\/span> of<\/span> their<\/span> advocates<\/span> and<\/span> feminists<\/span> pushing<\/span> for<\/span> legal<\/span> reforms,<\/span> we<\/span> now<\/span> have<\/span> a<\/span> number<\/span> of<\/span> different<\/span> sexual<\/span> atrocities<\/span> that<\/span> occur<\/span> against<\/span> people<\/span> that<\/span> are<\/span> founded<\/span> in<\/span> the<\/span> criminal<\/span> code<\/span> that<\/span> are<\/span> more<\/span> realistic<\/span> about<\/span> what<\/span> people<\/span> are<\/span> experiencing.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: Think<\/span> about<\/span> the<\/span> survivors<\/span> that<\/span> came<\/span> forward<\/span> before<\/span> there<\/span> were<\/span> limits<\/span> on<\/span> the<\/span> courts<\/span> around<\/span> survivor's<\/span> past<\/span> sexual<\/span> history.<\/span> Now<\/span> we<\/span> see<\/span> cases<\/span> still<\/span> in<\/span> our<\/span> courts<\/span> about<\/span> the<\/span> survivors<\/span> being<\/span> put<\/span> on<\/span> trial,<\/span> but<\/span> it<\/span> was<\/span> in<\/span> 1992<\/span> in<\/span> a<\/span> case<\/span> called<\/span> Seaboyer<\/span> that<\/span> led<\/span> to<\/span> criminal<\/span> code<\/span> amendments<\/span> to<\/span> limit<\/span> the<\/span> full<\/span> scale<\/span> exploration<\/span> by<\/span> defense<\/span> counsel<\/span> in<\/span> order<\/span> to<\/span> discredit<\/span> survivors.<\/span> And<\/span> that<\/span> was<\/span> pushed<\/span> forward<\/span> because<\/span> of<\/span> survivors.<\/span> Or<\/span> think<\/span> about<\/span> the<\/span> experiences<\/span> of<\/span> deaf<\/span> and<\/span> hard<\/span> of<\/span> hearing<\/span> survivors<\/span> who<\/span> came<\/span> forward<\/span> before<\/span> anybody<\/span> was<\/span> looking<\/span> at<\/span> and<\/span> uncovered<\/span> the<\/span> sexual<\/span> abuse<\/span> that<\/span> was<\/span> going<\/span> on<\/span> at<\/span> Jericho<\/span> Hill<\/span> here<\/span> in<\/span> Vancouver<\/span> and<\/span> other<\/span> institutions<\/span> across<\/span> our<\/span> province.<\/span> We're<\/span> doing<\/span> a<\/span> lot<\/span> of<\/span> work<\/span> with<\/span> women<\/span> who<\/span> live<\/span> with<\/span> disabilities<\/span> and<\/span> other<\/span> disability<\/span> groups<\/span> and<\/span> BC<\/span> Disability<\/span> Alliance<\/span> to<\/span> create<\/span> more<\/span> pathways.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: Or<\/span> the<\/span> experiences,<\/span> of<\/span> course,<\/span> of<\/span> indigenous<\/span> people<\/span> who<\/span> came<\/span> forward<\/span> before<\/span> police<\/span> or<\/span> churches<\/span> or<\/span> government<\/span> or<\/span> Crown<\/span> counsel<\/span> was<\/span> willing<\/span> to<\/span> believe<\/span> them<\/span> about<\/span> the<\/span> sexual<\/span> violence<\/span> that<\/span> they<\/span> experienced<\/span> at<\/span> the<\/span> hands<\/span> of<\/span> our<\/span> residential<\/span> schools<\/span> across<\/span> our<\/span> country.<\/span> We<\/span> have<\/span> residential<\/span> school<\/span> response<\/span> programs<\/span> and<\/span> counseling<\/span> and<\/span> settlements<\/span> that<\/span> have<\/span> taken<\/span> place<\/span> and<\/span> obviously<\/span> as<\/span> we<\/span> know<\/span> by<\/span> yesterday's<\/span> Murdered<\/span> &<\/span> Missing<\/span> Women's<\/span> Commission<\/span> report<\/span> and<\/span> the<\/span> previous<\/span> truth<\/span> and<\/span> reconciliation<\/span> report,<\/span> we<\/span> still<\/span> have<\/span> miles<\/span> to<\/span> go<\/span> there.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: Or<\/span> think<\/span> about<\/span> the<\/span> experiences<\/span> of<\/span> survivors<\/span> who<\/span> came<\/span> forward<\/span> who<\/span> were<\/span> accused<\/span> of<\/span> having<\/span> a<\/span> false<\/span> memory<\/span> syndrome.<\/span> This<\/span> was<\/span> in<\/span> the<\/span> 1980s<\/span> where<\/span> they<\/span> and<\/span> their<\/span> counselors<\/span> or<\/span> therapists<\/span> were<\/span> accused<\/span> of<\/span> implanting<\/span> memories.<\/span> There<\/span> was<\/span> a<\/span> whole<\/span> backlash<\/span> movement<\/span> that<\/span> took<\/span> place<\/span> around<\/span> that.<\/span> Or<\/span> the<\/span> experiences<\/span> of<\/span> immigrant<\/span> and<\/span> refugee<\/span> survivors<\/span> who<\/span> came<\/span> forward<\/span> who<\/span> weren't<\/span> provided<\/span> with<\/span> any<\/span> language<\/span> interpretation,<\/span> who<\/span> weren't<\/span> provided<\/span> with<\/span> any<\/span> cultural<\/span> traumatic<\/span> care.<\/span> We<\/span> still<\/span> have<\/span> miles<\/span> to<\/span> go,<\/span> miles<\/span> and<\/span> miles<\/span> to<\/span> go<\/span> on<\/span> that<\/span> front<\/span> but<\/span> we've<\/span> made<\/span> some<\/span> advances<\/span> by<\/span> the<\/span> fact<\/span> that<\/span> we<\/span> have<\/span> 14<\/span> multicultural<\/span> support<\/span> services<\/span> in<\/span> the<\/span> province<\/span> of<\/span> BC<\/span> specifically<\/span> set<\/span> up<\/span> to<\/span> respond<\/span> to<\/span> survivors<\/span> who<\/span> are<\/span> new<\/span> Canadians.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: Or<\/span> think<\/span> about<\/span> the<\/span> experiences<\/span> of<\/span> survivors<\/span> who<\/span> came<\/span> forward<\/span> in<\/span> relation<\/span> to<\/span> Bishop<\/span> O'Connor<\/span> who<\/span> at<\/span> the<\/span> time<\/span> was<\/span> the<\/span> highest<\/span> ranking<\/span> clergy<\/span> in<\/span> the<\/span> country,<\/span> happened<\/span> to<\/span> be<\/span> a<\/span> clergy<\/span> that<\/span> was<\/span> the<\/span> principal<\/span> of<\/span> a<\/span> residential<\/span> school<\/span> in<\/span> Northern<\/span> BC<\/span> and<\/span> there're<\/span> files<\/span> that<\/span> were<\/span> written<\/span> by<\/span> the<\/span> principal,<\/span> who<\/span> was<\/span> the<\/span> offender,<\/span> were<\/span> used<\/span> against<\/span> them<\/span> in<\/span> court<\/span> to<\/span> discredit<\/span> their<\/span> claims.<\/span> We<\/span> now<\/span> have<\/span> sanctions<\/span> and<\/span> provisions<\/span> against<\/span> the<\/span> full<\/span> exploration<\/span> of<\/span> confidential<\/span> records<\/span> and<\/span> that's<\/span> embedded<\/span> in<\/span> the<\/span> criminal<\/span> code.<\/span> And<\/span> that<\/span> was<\/span> shored<\/span> up<\/span> by<\/span> our<\/span> previous<\/span> Justice<\/span> Minister<\/span> Jody<\/span> Wilson-Raybould<\/span> in<\/span> a<\/span> piece<\/span> of<\/span> legislation<\/span> that<\/span> she<\/span> did<\/span> last<\/span> year<\/span> before<\/span> she<\/span> ceased<\/span> to<\/span> become<\/span> our<\/span> minister<\/span> of<\/span> attorney<\/span> general<\/span> of<\/span> the<\/span> country.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: And<\/span> imagine<\/span> these<\/span> experiences<\/span> of<\/span> survivors<\/span> that<\/span> not<\/span> that<\/span> long<\/span> ago<\/span> that<\/span> were<\/span> trying<\/span> to<\/span> come<\/span> forward<\/span> and<\/span> be<\/span> heard<\/span> at<\/span> colleges<\/span> and<\/span> universities<\/span> across<\/span> our<\/span> province.<\/span> Before<\/span> there<\/span> were<\/span> policies,<\/span> before<\/span> there<\/span> were<\/span> SASCs,<\/span> before<\/span> there<\/span> were<\/span> responses,<\/span> before<\/span> there<\/span> were<\/span> student<\/span> bodies<\/span> demanding<\/span> to<\/span> be<\/span> heard.<\/span> And<\/span> so<\/span> I<\/span> just<\/span> want<\/span> to<\/span> say<\/span> that<\/span> the<\/span> status<\/span> quo<\/span> is<\/span> not<\/span> something<\/span> that<\/span> we<\/span> should<\/span> ever<\/span> be<\/span> satisfied<\/span> with<\/span> and<\/span> that<\/span> we<\/span> should<\/span> always<\/span> be<\/span> looking<\/span> to<\/span> advance<\/span> how<\/span> we<\/span> can<\/span> make<\/span> things<\/span> better.<\/span> How<\/span> we<\/span> can<\/span> be<\/span> more<\/span> trauma-informed<\/span> and<\/span> how<\/span> we<\/span> can<\/span> honor<\/span> those<\/span> voices<\/span> who<\/span> are<\/span> often<\/span> the<\/span> only<\/span> voices<\/span> in<\/span> communities<\/span> that<\/span> are<\/span> seeking<\/span> change.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: I<\/span> don't<\/span> think<\/span> it's<\/span> ever<\/span> been<\/span> the<\/span> case<\/span> that<\/span> an<\/span> institution<\/span> or<\/span> system,<\/span> the<\/span> RCMP<\/span> or<\/span> military<\/span> or<\/span> governments,<\/span> decide<\/span> amongst<\/span> themselves<\/span> without<\/span> any<\/span> pressure<\/span> that<\/span> they're<\/span> going<\/span> to<\/span> create<\/span> counseling<\/span> programs<\/span> that<\/span> cost<\/span> money<\/span> or<\/span> response<\/span> programs<\/span> or<\/span> training<\/span> for<\/span> judges.<\/span> It<\/span> only<\/span> happens<\/span> because<\/span> of<\/span> the<\/span> agitation<\/span> by<\/span> survivors<\/span> and<\/span> advocates.<\/span> And<\/span> dare<\/span> I<\/span> say<\/span> university<\/span> and<\/span> college<\/span> campuses<\/span> are<\/span> the<\/span> most<\/span> powerful<\/span> site<\/span> of<\/span> social<\/span> change<\/span> across<\/span> my<\/span> lifetime.<\/span> That<\/span> it's<\/span> often<\/span> the<\/span> student<\/span> body's<\/span> voices<\/span> that<\/span> are<\/span> leaders<\/span> and<\/span> you're<\/span> doing<\/span> it<\/span> now<\/span> and<\/span> you<\/span> have<\/span> moved<\/span> obviously<\/span> the<\/span> ministry<\/span> of<\/span> advanced<\/span> education<\/span> and<\/span> the<\/span> minister,<\/span> and<\/span> I<\/span> bow<\/span> down<\/span> to<\/span> the<\/span> people<\/span> in<\/span> the<\/span> public<\/span> service<\/span> who<\/span> clearly<\/span> are<\/span> hearing<\/span> what<\/span> people<\/span> are<\/span> having<\/span> to<\/span> say<\/span> and<\/span> are<\/span> doing<\/span> what<\/span> they<\/span> can<\/span> to<\/span> support<\/span> what<\/span> you're<\/span> saying<\/span> needs<\/span> to<\/span> happen.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: I<\/span> want<\/span> to<\/span> talk<\/span> a<\/span> little<\/span> bit<\/span> about<\/span> some<\/span> best<\/span> practices<\/span> if<\/span> I<\/span> can<\/span> get<\/span> this<\/span> to<\/span> work.<\/span> Okay.<\/span> So<\/span> I<\/span> was<\/span> supposed<\/span> to<\/span> move<\/span> to<\/span> that<\/span> slide<\/span> and<\/span> I<\/span> forgot.<\/span> So<\/span> never<\/span> before<\/span> has<\/span> there<\/span> been<\/span> this<\/span> much<\/span> awareness.<\/span> So<\/span> I<\/span> feel<\/span> like<\/span> we<\/span> have<\/span> an<\/span> opportunity<\/span> before<\/span> us<\/span> that<\/span> has<\/span> never<\/span> existed<\/span> and<\/span> therefore,<\/span> we<\/span> also<\/span> have<\/span> a<\/span> responsibility<\/span> to<\/span> do<\/span> something.<\/span> We<\/span> have<\/span> a<\/span> social<\/span> change<\/span> window<\/span> that's<\/span> wide<\/span> open<\/span> right<\/span> now.<\/span> We<\/span> need<\/span> to<\/span> make,<\/span> \"Hey,<\/span> we<\/span> need<\/span> to<\/span> do<\/span> something<\/span> with<\/span> this.\"<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: And<\/span> so<\/span> a<\/span> few<\/span> years<\/span> ago<\/span> the<\/span> Ending<\/span> Violence<\/span> Association<\/span> of<\/span> BC<\/span> got<\/span> together<\/span> with<\/span> our<\/span> equivalents<\/span> in<\/span> Alberta,<\/span> Saskatchewan<\/span> and<\/span> Manitoba<\/span> to<\/span> really<\/span> dig<\/span> down<\/span> into<\/span> sexual<\/span> assaults<\/span> in<\/span> the<\/span> country,<\/span> including<\/span> sexual<\/span> assault<\/span> on<\/span> university<\/span> campuses.<\/span> And<\/span> we<\/span> created<\/span> a<\/span> set<\/span> of<\/span> guidelines<\/span> for<\/span> postsecondary<\/span> institutions<\/span> in<\/span> terms<\/span> of<\/span> if<\/span> you<\/span> were<\/span> going<\/span> to<\/span> be<\/span> doing<\/span> more<\/span> in<\/span> relation<\/span> to<\/span> sexual<\/span> assault<\/span> on<\/span> campus,<\/span> what<\/span> do<\/span> those<\/span> of<\/span> us<\/span> who<\/span> live<\/span> in<\/span> the<\/span> anti-violence<\/span> world<\/span> believe<\/span> you<\/span> could<\/span> do<\/span> to<\/span> help<\/span> survivors<\/span> in<\/span> your<\/span> midst.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: And<\/span> so<\/span> this<\/span> is<\/span> based<\/span> on<\/span> consultations<\/span> with<\/span> a<\/span> lot<\/span> of<\/span> subject<\/span> matter<\/span> experts<\/span> across<\/span> Western<\/span> Canada<\/span> and<\/span> also<\/span> based<\/span> on<\/span> the<\/span> academic<\/span> literature<\/span> that<\/span> exists<\/span> out<\/span> there.<\/span> I'm<\/span> not<\/span> going<\/span> to<\/span> get<\/span> into<\/span> the<\/span> guidelines<\/span> so<\/span> much<\/span> today,<\/span> like<\/span> not<\/span> guideline<\/span> after<\/span> guideline<\/span> after<\/span> guideline.<\/span> You<\/span> can<\/span> reach<\/span> them,<\/span> you<\/span> can<\/span> see<\/span> them<\/span> on<\/span> our<\/span> website<\/span> which<\/span> is<\/span> endingviolence.org.<\/span> Kate<\/span> Rossiter<\/span> and<\/span> Misha<\/span> Dhillon<\/span> are<\/span> here<\/span> from<\/span> EVA<\/span> BC<\/span> and<\/span> had<\/span> everything<\/span> to<\/span> do<\/span> with<\/span> producing<\/span> these<\/span> guidelines.<\/span> And<\/span> if<\/span> you<\/span> want<\/span> more<\/span> information<\/span> you<\/span> could<\/span> certainly<\/span> talk<\/span> to<\/span> any<\/span> of<\/span> us.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: So<\/span> that's<\/span> kind<\/span> of<\/span> like<\/span> a<\/span> little<\/span> bit<\/span> of<\/span> an<\/span> overview.<\/span> There's<\/span> 10<\/span> really<\/span> specific<\/span> suggestions<\/span> for<\/span> consideration.<\/span> And<\/span> of<\/span> course,<\/span> one<\/span> thing<\/span> that<\/span> ...<\/span> EVA<\/span> is<\/span> known<\/span> for<\/span> a<\/span> lot<\/span> of<\/span> things,<\/span> but<\/span> we're<\/span> not<\/span> known<\/span> for<\/span> being<\/span> brief.<\/span> So<\/span> within<\/span> those<\/span> 10<\/span> guidelines,<\/span> there's<\/span> a<\/span> number<\/span> of<\/span> subheadings<\/span> but<\/span> I<\/span> encourage<\/span> you<\/span> if<\/span> you<\/span> haven't<\/span> read<\/span> them,<\/span> you<\/span> might<\/span> want<\/span> to<\/span> take<\/span> a<\/span> look<\/span> at<\/span> them.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: I<\/span> think<\/span> they<\/span> also<\/span> landed<\/span> in<\/span> the<\/span> laps<\/span> of<\/span> the<\/span> Ministry<\/span> of<\/span> Advanced<\/span> Education<\/span> exactly<\/span> at<\/span> the<\/span> same<\/span> time<\/span> that<\/span> you<\/span> were<\/span> charged<\/span> with<\/span> the<\/span> responsibility<\/span> of<\/span> creating<\/span> guidelines<\/span> around<\/span> sexual<\/span> misconduct<\/span> and<\/span> I<\/span> think<\/span> it<\/span> was<\/span> a<\/span> real<\/span> meeting<\/span> of<\/span> the<\/span> minds<\/span> in<\/span> terms<\/span> of<\/span> their<\/span> thinking<\/span> and<\/span> our<\/span> thinking.<\/span> At<\/span> the<\/span> same<\/span> time,<\/span> we<\/span> also<\/span> produced<\/span> a<\/span> whole<\/span> series<\/span> of<\/span> tip<\/span> sheets<\/span> for<\/span> different<\/span> sectors,<\/span> for<\/span> police<\/span> and<\/span> Crown<\/span> and<\/span> anti-violence<\/span> and<\/span> medical<\/span> people<\/span> and<\/span> paramedics,<\/span> and<\/span> those<\/span> are<\/span> all<\/span> on<\/span> our<\/span> website<\/span> as<\/span> well,<\/span> so<\/span> I'd<\/span> encourage<\/span> you<\/span> to<\/span> go<\/span> take<\/span> a<\/span> look<\/span> at<\/span> them.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: We<\/span> also<\/span> on<\/span> our<\/span> website<\/span> have<\/span> quite<\/span> a<\/span> thorough,<\/span> I<\/span> don't<\/span> know<\/span> how<\/span> many<\/span> pages<\/span> it<\/span> is,<\/span> but<\/span> it's<\/span> about<\/span> that<\/span> thick,<\/span> sexual<\/span> assault<\/span> support<\/span> worker<\/span> handbook.<\/span> For<\/span> those<\/span> people<\/span> who<\/span> are<\/span> looking<\/span> to<\/span> understand<\/span> all<\/span> of<\/span> the<\/span> different<\/span> aspects<\/span> of<\/span> supporting<\/span> survivors,<\/span> you<\/span> can<\/span> have<\/span> access<\/span> to<\/span> that.<\/span> Of<\/span> course,<\/span> there's<\/span> the<\/span> Ministry's<\/span> policy<\/span> and<\/span> guidelines<\/span> that<\/span> exist<\/span> online.<\/span> And<\/span> also,<\/span> all<\/span> of<\/span> the<\/span> policies<\/span> that<\/span> you've<\/span> collected<\/span> are<\/span> available<\/span> for<\/span> anybody<\/span> to<\/span> see<\/span> online,<\/span> easily<\/span> accessible.<\/span> And<\/span> of<\/span> course,<\/span> the<\/span> Ministry's<\/span> public<\/span> awareness<\/span> campaign,<\/span> which<\/span> was<\/span> excellent.<\/span> That<\/span> happened<\/span> last<\/span> year.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: So<\/span> I<\/span> want<\/span> to<\/span> just<\/span> spend<\/span> the<\/span> rest<\/span> of<\/span> my<\/span> time<\/span> talking<\/span> about<\/span> some<\/span> of<\/span> the<\/span> best<\/span> practices<\/span> that<\/span> I<\/span> think<\/span> are<\/span> worthy<\/span> of<\/span> underlining<\/span> in<\/span> terms<\/span> of<\/span> working<\/span> with<\/span> survivors.<\/span> And<\/span> so<\/span> having<\/span> a<\/span> trauma-informed<\/span> response,<\/span> we've<\/span> been<\/span> hearing<\/span> about<\/span> this<\/span> a<\/span> lot<\/span> today<\/span> and<\/span> I<\/span> think<\/span> this<\/span> room<\/span> is<\/span> probably<\/span> filled<\/span> with<\/span> people<\/span> that<\/span> live<\/span> and<\/span> breathe<\/span> what<\/span> having<\/span> a<\/span> trauma-informed<\/span> response<\/span> means.<\/span> And<\/span> so<\/span> to<\/span> me,<\/span> and<\/span> to<\/span> us<\/span> at<\/span> EVA,<\/span> it<\/span> means<\/span> leading<\/span> with<\/span> empathy.<\/span> Always<\/span> and<\/span> without<\/span> hesitation<\/span> to<\/span> have<\/span> an<\/span> understanding<\/span> that<\/span> this<\/span> is<\/span> likely<\/span> the<\/span> most<\/span> humiliating<\/span> and<\/span> the<\/span> most<\/span> terrifying<\/span> thing<\/span> this<\/span> person<\/span> has<\/span> experienced.<\/span> And<\/span> it<\/span> can<\/span> be<\/span> confusing<\/span> for<\/span> people<\/span> without<\/span> a<\/span> lot<\/span> of<\/span> training<\/span> because<\/span> the<\/span> person<\/span> in<\/span> front<\/span> of<\/span> you<\/span> may<\/span> look<\/span> calm.<\/span> They<\/span> may<\/span> not<\/span> be<\/span> screaming,<\/span> they<\/span> may<\/span> not<\/span> be<\/span> hysterical,<\/span> they<\/span> may<\/span> not<\/span> be<\/span> crying.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: There's<\/span> just<\/span> as<\/span> many<\/span> human<\/span> beings<\/span> that<\/span> have<\/span> what's<\/span> called<\/span> an<\/span> expressed<\/span> trauma<\/span> response<\/span> as<\/span> there<\/span> is<\/span> that<\/span> has<\/span> a<\/span> controlled<\/span> trauma<\/span> response.<\/span> But<\/span> know<\/span> in<\/span> your<\/span> hearts<\/span> that<\/span> this<\/span> has<\/span> got<\/span> to<\/span> be<\/span> the<\/span> most<\/span> humiliating<\/span> thing<\/span> that<\/span> this<\/span> person<\/span> has<\/span> ever<\/span> experienced<\/span> unless<\/span> they've<\/span> been<\/span> victimized<\/span> before.<\/span> And<\/span> this<\/span> is<\/span> very<\/span> common<\/span> because<\/span> once<\/span> you've<\/span> been<\/span> victimized<\/span> sexually<\/span> as<\/span> a<\/span> child<\/span> or<\/span> as<\/span> a<\/span> teenager,<\/span> that<\/span> also<\/span> makes<\/span> you<\/span> more<\/span> vulnerable<\/span> for<\/span> more<\/span> sexual<\/span> assault.<\/span> And<\/span> so<\/span> important<\/span> for<\/span> you<\/span> to<\/span> be<\/span> thinking<\/span> about<\/span> that.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: Obviously,<\/span> important<\/span> for<\/span> you<\/span> to<\/span> excel<\/span> in<\/span> your<\/span> understanding<\/span> about<\/span> inclusion<\/span> and<\/span> diversity.<\/span> And<\/span> as<\/span> Shiloh<\/span> and<\/span> CJ<\/span> talked<\/span> at<\/span> length<\/span> about,<\/span> and<\/span> I<\/span> won't<\/span> get<\/span> into<\/span> all<\/span> of<\/span> these<\/span> things,<\/span> but<\/span> understanding<\/span> about<\/span> the<\/span> importance<\/span> or<\/span> the<\/span> aspects<\/span> of<\/span> their<\/span> culture<\/span> that's<\/span> important<\/span> to<\/span> them.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: Don't<\/span> superimpose<\/span> that<\/span> because<\/span> they're<\/span> indigenous<\/span> that<\/span> they<\/span> might<\/span> want<\/span> to<\/span> smudge.<\/span> Maybe<\/span> they<\/span> have<\/span> a<\/span> different<\/span> culture<\/span> because<\/span> maybe<\/span> they're<\/span> Anishinaabe<\/span> from<\/span> Ontario,<\/span> maybe<\/span> they<\/span> don't<\/span> smudge<\/span> there.<\/span> And<\/span> so<\/span> it's<\/span> just<\/span> important<\/span> for<\/span> you<\/span> to<\/span> feel<\/span> comfortable<\/span> in<\/span> your<\/span> understanding<\/span> about<\/span> diversity<\/span> and<\/span> inclusion<\/span> and<\/span> find<\/span> out<\/span> where<\/span> there<\/span> are<\/span> worries<\/span> and<\/span> where<\/span> there<\/span> are<\/span> strengths.<\/span> They<\/span> might<\/span> have<\/span> a<\/span> lot<\/span> of<\/span> strength<\/span> in<\/span> their<\/span> cultural<\/span> community.<\/span> They<\/span> might<\/span> have<\/span> a<\/span> lot<\/span> of<\/span> worries<\/span> about<\/span> their<\/span> family<\/span> finding<\/span> out<\/span> because<\/span> what<\/span> that<\/span> will<\/span> mean.<\/span> So<\/span> don't<\/span> be<\/span> afraid<\/span> to<\/span> ask.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: Also,<\/span> be<\/span> alive<\/span> to<\/span> the<\/span> fact<\/span> that<\/span> there's<\/span> an<\/span> interaction<\/span> between<\/span> trauma,<\/span> the<\/span> gender-based<\/span> trauma<\/span> that<\/span> they<\/span> might<\/span> be<\/span> coming<\/span> to<\/span> you<\/span> in<\/span> the<\/span> current<\/span> day<\/span> about<\/span> and<\/span> past<\/span> trauma.<\/span> A<\/span> trauma<\/span> that's<\/span> based<\/span> on<\/span> if<\/span> they<\/span> are<\/span> indigenous,<\/span> our<\/span> colonial<\/span> history<\/span> in<\/span> the<\/span> country.<\/span> All<\/span> of<\/span> these<\/span> aspects<\/span> of<\/span> whether<\/span> they<\/span> are<\/span> culturally<\/span> people<\/span> of<\/span> color<\/span> that<\/span> stemmed<\/span> from<\/span> slaves.<\/span> Japanese<\/span> interment<\/span> camps,<\/span> living<\/span> in<\/span> a<\/span> war<\/span> zone.<\/span> Pre-migration<\/span> sexual<\/span> assault<\/span> is<\/span> so<\/span> common<\/span> for<\/span> refugees<\/span> that<\/span> are<\/span> coming<\/span> to<\/span> Canada<\/span> that<\/span> had<\/span> been<\/span> in<\/span> a<\/span> refugee<\/span> camp<\/span> sometimes<\/span> for<\/span> years.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: If<\/span> somebody<\/span> is<\/span> here<\/span> from<\/span> Haiti<\/span> after<\/span> the<\/span> earthquake<\/span> in<\/span> disaster<\/span> zones,<\/span> we<\/span> know<\/span> that<\/span> violence<\/span> against<\/span> women<\/span> and<\/span> others<\/span> and<\/span> gender<\/span> diverse<\/span> people<\/span> in<\/span> disaster<\/span> areas<\/span> skyrockets.<\/span> And<\/span> so<\/span> think<\/span> about<\/span> the<\/span> fact<\/span> that<\/span> your<\/span> population<\/span> of<\/span> staff,<\/span> students<\/span> and<\/span> faculty<\/span> are<\/span> people<\/span> who<\/span> are<\/span> made<\/span> up<\/span> of<\/span> people<\/span> that<\/span> are<\/span> survivors<\/span> and<\/span> some<\/span> of<\/span> those<\/span> people<\/span> have<\/span> hurt<\/span> other<\/span> people.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: You<\/span> talked<\/span> about<\/span> this<\/span> as<\/span> being<\/span> an<\/span> epidemic<\/span> so<\/span> that<\/span> means<\/span> that<\/span> our<\/span> populations<\/span> everywhere,<\/span> wherever<\/span> we<\/span> work,<\/span> wherever<\/span> we<\/span> play,<\/span> wherever<\/span> we<\/span> engage,<\/span> wherever<\/span> we<\/span> socialize,<\/span> we<\/span> as<\/span> survivors<\/span> exist.<\/span> And<\/span> so<\/span> institutions<\/span> need<\/span> to<\/span> be<\/span> alive<\/span> to<\/span> the<\/span> fact<\/span> that<\/span> it's<\/span> not<\/span> just<\/span> what<\/span> might<\/span> happen<\/span> while<\/span> they're<\/span> there.<\/span> It's<\/span> also<\/span> what<\/span> might've<\/span> already<\/span> happened<\/span> that<\/span> may<\/span> create<\/span> a<\/span> complexity<\/span> in<\/span> terms<\/span> of<\/span> the<\/span> person's<\/span> response.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: The<\/span> highest<\/span> demographic<\/span> of<\/span> people<\/span> targeted<\/span> by<\/span> sexual<\/span> violence<\/span> are<\/span> people<\/span> between<\/span> the<\/span> ages<\/span> of<\/span> 14<\/span> and<\/span> 24.<\/span> Well,<\/span> high<\/span> school<\/span> and<\/span> university<\/span> and<\/span> colleges,<\/span> that<\/span> is<\/span> your<\/span> demographic.<\/span> And<\/span> so<\/span> we<\/span> have<\/span> to<\/span> be<\/span> alive<\/span> to<\/span> that<\/span> fact.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: I<\/span> think<\/span> we<\/span> need<\/span> to<\/span> practice<\/span> talking<\/span> about<\/span> this<\/span> before<\/span> we<\/span> ever<\/span> have<\/span> somebody<\/span> come<\/span> into<\/span> our<\/span> office<\/span> to<\/span> disclose<\/span> that<\/span> they<\/span> have<\/span> been<\/span> hurt<\/span> in<\/span> this<\/span> way.<\/span> And<\/span> this<\/span> is<\/span> really<\/span> hard<\/span> to<\/span> talk<\/span> about.<\/span> And<\/span> those<\/span> of<\/span> you<\/span> in<\/span> the<\/span> student's<\/span> circle<\/span> today,<\/span> I<\/span> really<\/span> appreciated<\/span> those<\/span> who<\/span> shared<\/span> and<\/span> those<\/span> who<\/span> had<\/span> empathy<\/span> for<\/span> those<\/span> who<\/span> shared<\/span> that<\/span> receiving<\/span> a<\/span> disclosure<\/span> is<\/span> not<\/span> easy<\/span> and<\/span> we<\/span> may<\/span> have<\/span> a<\/span> tendency<\/span> to<\/span> shut<\/span> down<\/span> and<\/span> cross<\/span> our<\/span> arms<\/span> and<\/span> look<\/span> away<\/span> or<\/span> unconsciously<\/span> tell<\/span> the<\/span> person<\/span> that<\/span> you're<\/span> not<\/span> ready<\/span> to<\/span> hear<\/span> what<\/span> they<\/span> have<\/span> to<\/span> say.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: I<\/span> can<\/span> remember<\/span> in<\/span> 1982,<\/span> when<\/span> I<\/span> first<\/span> got<\/span> involved<\/span> in<\/span> one<\/span> of<\/span> the<\/span> training<\/span> programs<\/span> I<\/span> went<\/span> through,<\/span> we<\/span> were<\/span> given<\/span> cards<\/span> with<\/span> all<\/span> kinds<\/span> of<\/span> sexual<\/span> acts<\/span> on<\/span> the<\/span> little<\/span> recipe<\/span> cards<\/span> and<\/span> we<\/span> were<\/span> asked<\/span> to<\/span> say<\/span> them<\/span> and<\/span> talk<\/span> about<\/span> them<\/span> so<\/span> that<\/span> if<\/span> somebody<\/span> ever<\/span> needed<\/span> to<\/span> talk<\/span> to<\/span> us<\/span> about<\/span> them,<\/span> we<\/span> had<\/span> at<\/span> least<\/span> talked<\/span> about<\/span> it<\/span> before<\/span> once<\/span> and<\/span> not<\/span> be<\/span> the<\/span> first<\/span> time<\/span> that<\/span> somebody<\/span> ever<\/span> wants<\/span> to<\/span> share<\/span> these<\/span> issues<\/span> with<\/span> us.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: And<\/span> just<\/span> indulge<\/span> me<\/span> for<\/span> a<\/span> second<\/span> if<\/span> you<\/span> will,<\/span> just<\/span> to<\/span> underscore<\/span> the<\/span> points<\/span> of<\/span> how<\/span> difficult<\/span> this<\/span> is<\/span> to<\/span> talk<\/span> about.<\/span> So<\/span> think<\/span> about<\/span> for<\/span> a<\/span> second,<\/span> turning<\/span> next<\/span> to<\/span> the<\/span> person<\/span> beside<\/span> you,<\/span> and<\/span> just<\/span> like<\/span> for<\/span> 30<\/span> seconds<\/span> each,<\/span> just<\/span> think<\/span> about<\/span> what<\/span> you<\/span> might<\/span> say<\/span> if<\/span> I<\/span> asked<\/span> you<\/span> to<\/span> talk<\/span> about<\/span> your<\/span> last<\/span> sexual<\/span> experience,<\/span> where<\/span> it<\/span> was,<\/span> what<\/span> time<\/span> of<\/span> day<\/span> it<\/span> was,<\/span> what<\/span> acts,<\/span> what<\/span> sex<\/span> happened,<\/span> how<\/span> did<\/span> you<\/span> feel<\/span> about<\/span> it.<\/span> Okay.<\/span> I'm<\/span> not<\/span> going<\/span> to<\/span> ask<\/span> you<\/span> to<\/span> do<\/span> that<\/span> but<\/span> think<\/span> for<\/span> a<\/span> second.<\/span> It's<\/span> not<\/span> an<\/span> easy<\/span> subject.<\/span> And<\/span> I<\/span> think<\/span> most<\/span> people<\/span> without<\/span> training<\/span> have<\/span> a<\/span> really<\/span> hard<\/span> time<\/span> knowing<\/span> what<\/span> to<\/span> say<\/span> or<\/span> what<\/span> to<\/span> do.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: And<\/span> one<\/span> of<\/span> the<\/span> calls<\/span> to<\/span> action<\/span> that<\/span> I<\/span> heard<\/span> today<\/span> in<\/span> that<\/span> every<\/span> staff<\/span> and<\/span> faculty<\/span> should<\/span> have<\/span> training,<\/span> should<\/span> have<\/span> a<\/span> sophistication<\/span> in<\/span> understanding<\/span> sexual<\/span> violence<\/span> and<\/span> should<\/span> know<\/span> how<\/span> to<\/span> respond<\/span> to<\/span> a<\/span> disclosure.<\/span> I<\/span> think<\/span> that's<\/span> an<\/span> awesome<\/span> recommendation<\/span> that<\/span> I'd<\/span> like<\/span> to<\/span> see<\/span> carried<\/span> forward<\/span> because<\/span> it<\/span> seems<\/span> kind<\/span> of<\/span> funny.<\/span> Well<\/span> not<\/span> funny,<\/span> but<\/span> sort<\/span> of<\/span> bad<\/span> that<\/span> we<\/span> would<\/span> have<\/span> so<\/span> many<\/span> people<\/span> targeted<\/span> in<\/span> their<\/span> age<\/span> group<\/span> and<\/span> be<\/span> found<\/span> at<\/span> colleges<\/span> and<\/span> universities<\/span> and<\/span> the<\/span> very<\/span> people<\/span> that<\/span> they<\/span> have<\/span> trust<\/span> in<\/span> and<\/span> that<\/span> they<\/span> would<\/span> seek<\/span> help<\/span> from,<\/span> aside<\/span> from<\/span> their<\/span> peers,<\/span> may<\/span> be<\/span> the<\/span> very<\/span> people<\/span> that<\/span> might<\/span> unknowingly<\/span> do<\/span> harm,<\/span> may<\/span> not<\/span> know<\/span> how<\/span> to<\/span> respond<\/span> in<\/span> a<\/span> good<\/span> way.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: I<\/span> also<\/span> think<\/span> it's<\/span> important<\/span> that<\/span> those<\/span> of<\/span> us<\/span> that<\/span> are<\/span> trying<\/span> to<\/span> be<\/span> alive<\/span> to<\/span> developing<\/span> policy<\/span> and<\/span> responses<\/span> also<\/span> be<\/span> alive<\/span> to<\/span> the<\/span> fact<\/span> that<\/span> most<\/span> sex<\/span> offenders<\/span> are<\/span> serial<\/span> offenders.<\/span> And<\/span> I<\/span> think<\/span> there's<\/span> some<\/span> debate<\/span> about<\/span> this,<\/span> but<\/span> in<\/span> my<\/span> years<\/span> of<\/span> experience,<\/span> I<\/span> think<\/span> that<\/span> it's<\/span> not<\/span> all<\/span> men<\/span> who<\/span> are<\/span> committing<\/span> sexual<\/span> violence.<\/span> It's<\/span> not<\/span> all<\/span> people<\/span> that<\/span> are<\/span> committing<\/span> sexual<\/span> violence.<\/span> I<\/span> think<\/span> it's<\/span> a<\/span> vast<\/span> minority<\/span> who<\/span> do<\/span> it<\/span> over<\/span> and<\/span> over<\/span> and<\/span> over.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: I've<\/span> read<\/span> some<\/span> reports<\/span> that<\/span> somewhere<\/span> between<\/span> 400<\/span> and<\/span> 1,000<\/span> uninterrupted<\/span> sex<\/span> offenders.<\/span> Well,<\/span> 400<\/span> and<\/span> 1,000<\/span> people,<\/span> they<\/span> will<\/span> have<\/span> hurt<\/span> her<\/span> in<\/span> their<\/span> lifetimes.<\/span> And<\/span> those<\/span> are<\/span> reports<\/span> from<\/span> the<\/span> U<\/span> S.<\/span> I<\/span> think<\/span> we<\/span> need<\/span> to<\/span> do<\/span> more<\/span> studies<\/span> and<\/span> there's<\/span> a<\/span> whole<\/span> academic<\/span> literature<\/span> that's<\/span> missing<\/span> in<\/span> Canada.<\/span> But<\/span> David<\/span> Lisak,<\/span> who's<\/span> a<\/span> clinical<\/span> psychologist<\/span> from<\/span> the<\/span> US<\/span> who<\/span> does<\/span> this<\/span> research,<\/span> says<\/span> that<\/span> by<\/span> the<\/span> time<\/span> most<\/span> sex<\/span> offenders<\/span> are<\/span> in<\/span> their<\/span> mid-20s,<\/span> they've<\/span> carried<\/span> out<\/span> six<\/span> fully<\/span> premeditated,<\/span> planned<\/span> sexual<\/span> assaults.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: And<\/span> that's<\/span> the<\/span> start.<\/span> And<\/span> what<\/span> do<\/span> we<\/span> have<\/span> in<\/span> place<\/span> in<\/span> society<\/span> to<\/span> interrupt<\/span> that<\/span> behavior?<\/span> And,<\/span> unfortunately,<\/span> for<\/span> not<\/span> all<\/span> but<\/span> many<\/span> of<\/span> those<\/span> offenders,<\/span> their<\/span> violence<\/span> escalates<\/span> over<\/span> time.<\/span> So<\/span> not<\/span> every<\/span> sexual<\/span> offender<\/span> escalates<\/span> to<\/span> murder.<\/span> But<\/span> I<\/span> think<\/span> that<\/span> there's<\/span> a<\/span> moral<\/span> imperative<\/span> that<\/span> we<\/span> do<\/span> some<\/span> things<\/span> to<\/span> interrupt<\/span> that<\/span> behavior<\/span> and<\/span> provide<\/span> people<\/span> with<\/span> peer<\/span> pressure<\/span> to<\/span> behave<\/span> differently<\/span> and<\/span> boundaries<\/span> around<\/span> what's<\/span> okay<\/span> and<\/span> what's<\/span> not<\/span> okay.<\/span> And<\/span> I<\/span> really<\/span> agree<\/span> with<\/span> the<\/span> people<\/span> that<\/span> are<\/span> talking<\/span> about<\/span> we<\/span> need<\/span> to<\/span> have<\/span> a<\/span> sex<\/span> positive<\/span> policy<\/span> and<\/span> response<\/span> and<\/span> our<\/span> colleges<\/span> and<\/span> universities<\/span> need<\/span> to<\/span> be<\/span> a<\/span> sex<\/span> positive<\/span> space<\/span> for<\/span> those<\/span> people<\/span> who<\/span> want<\/span> to<\/span> be<\/span> sexually<\/span> liberated.<\/span> It's<\/span> not<\/span> about<\/span> making<\/span> sex<\/span> or<\/span> sexuality<\/span> wrong,<\/span> but<\/span> it's<\/span> about<\/span> having<\/span> clear<\/span> boundaries.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: Obviously,<\/span> and<\/span> this<\/span> is<\/span> the<\/span> newest<\/span> science<\/span> and<\/span> we're<\/span> hearing<\/span> a<\/span> lot<\/span> about<\/span> this,<\/span> but<\/span> we<\/span> all<\/span> need<\/span> to<\/span> be<\/span> alive<\/span> to<\/span> the<\/span> neurobiology<\/span> of<\/span> trauma.<\/span> During<\/span> a<\/span> sexual<\/span> assault,<\/span> again,<\/span> it's<\/span> probably<\/span> one<\/span> of<\/span> the<\/span> most<\/span> terrifying<\/span> things<\/span> that<\/span> somebody<\/span> has<\/span> experienced<\/span> at<\/span> that<\/span> moment.<\/span> When<\/span> someone<\/span> realizes<\/span> that<\/span> their<\/span> boundaries<\/span> have<\/span> been<\/span> so<\/span> intruded<\/span> upon<\/span> that<\/span> somebody's<\/span> body<\/span> is<\/span> being<\/span> violated,<\/span> somebody's<\/span> being<\/span> held<\/span> against<\/span> their<\/span> will,<\/span> something's<\/span> happening<\/span> to<\/span> them<\/span> that<\/span> they<\/span> do<\/span> not<\/span> want.<\/span> What<\/span> usually<\/span> happens<\/span> in<\/span> that<\/span> moment<\/span> is<\/span> that<\/span> there's<\/span> a<\/span> flood<\/span> of<\/span> cortisol<\/span> and<\/span> other<\/span> stress<\/span> hormones<\/span> that<\/span> flood<\/span> the<\/span> body<\/span> that<\/span> cause<\/span> us<\/span> to<\/span> feel<\/span> paralyzed<\/span> and<\/span> sometimes<\/span> not<\/span> even<\/span> be<\/span> able<\/span> to<\/span> scream<\/span> and<\/span> certainly<\/span> not<\/span> be<\/span> able<\/span> to<\/span> fight<\/span> back.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: Some<\/span> survivors,<\/span> especially<\/span> those<\/span> that<\/span> are<\/span> child<\/span> sexual<\/span> abuse<\/span> survivors<\/span> or<\/span> had<\/span> been<\/span> raped<\/span> before,<\/span> may<\/span> dissociate<\/span> in<\/span> the<\/span> midst<\/span> of<\/span> of<\/span> that<\/span> happening.<\/span> Some<\/span> may<\/span> make<\/span> a<\/span> valid<\/span> decision<\/span> that<\/span> they're<\/span> just<\/span> going<\/span> to<\/span> let<\/span> it<\/span> happen<\/span> so<\/span> they<\/span> survive<\/span> and<\/span> get<\/span> it<\/span> over<\/span> with.<\/span> And<\/span> so<\/span> then<\/span> superimpose<\/span> that<\/span> with<\/span> somebody,<\/span> a<\/span> first<\/span> responder<\/span> or<\/span> a<\/span> police<\/span> officer<\/span> or<\/span> even<\/span> a<\/span> loved<\/span> one<\/span> saying,<\/span> \"Well,<\/span> did<\/span> you<\/span> scream<\/span> or<\/span> did<\/span> you<\/span> fight<\/span> back<\/span> and<\/span> tell<\/span> me<\/span> everything<\/span> that<\/span> happened<\/span> starting<\/span> in<\/span> the<\/span> morning.\"<\/span> This<\/span> is<\/span> what<\/span> the<\/span> police<\/span> used<\/span> to<\/span> do.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: Asking<\/span> for<\/span> a<\/span> sequential<\/span> narrative<\/span> about<\/span> what's<\/span> happened<\/span> and<\/span> the<\/span> neurobiology<\/span> of<\/span> trauma<\/span> is<\/span> such<\/span> that<\/span> the<\/span> survivor<\/span> may,<\/span> especially<\/span> while<\/span> the<\/span> cortisol<\/span> and<\/span> other<\/span> stress<\/span> hormones<\/span> are<\/span> still<\/span> running<\/span> through<\/span> their<\/span> body,<\/span> which<\/span> lasts<\/span> for<\/span> about<\/span> five<\/span> or<\/span> six<\/span> days,<\/span> that<\/span> survivor<\/span> may<\/span> only<\/span> be<\/span> able<\/span> to<\/span> remember<\/span> snippets<\/span> or<\/span> he<\/span> or<\/span> she<\/span> may<\/span> remember<\/span> what<\/span> they<\/span> smelled<\/span> or<\/span> a<\/span> sound<\/span> that<\/span> they<\/span> heard<\/span> or<\/span> a<\/span> dog<\/span> barking.<\/span> And<\/span> then<\/span> over<\/span> time<\/span> and<\/span> with<\/span> some<\/span> help,<\/span> they<\/span> might<\/span> be<\/span> able<\/span> to<\/span> provide<\/span> a<\/span> little<\/span> bit<\/span> more<\/span> of<\/span> a<\/span> narrative.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous:And<\/span> so<\/span> what<\/span> the<\/span> police<\/span> training<\/span> is<\/span> about<\/span> is<\/span> helping<\/span> the<\/span> police<\/span> ask<\/span> survivors,<\/span> what<\/span> do<\/span> you<\/span> remember?<\/span> Not,<\/span> I<\/span> want<\/span> a<\/span> statement<\/span> from<\/span> everything<\/span> you<\/span> did<\/span> from<\/span> the<\/span> morning<\/span> until<\/span> it<\/span> happened.<\/span> And<\/span> then<\/span> what<\/span> used<\/span> to<\/span> happen<\/span> is<\/span> if<\/span> the<\/span> survivor<\/span> couldn't<\/span> provide<\/span> that<\/span> narrative,<\/span> then<\/span> the<\/span> police<\/span> would<\/span> be<\/span> like,<\/span> \"Well,<\/span> she<\/span> might,\"<\/span> he<\/span> or<\/span> she,<\/span> the<\/span> survivor<\/span> might<\/span> be<\/span> lying.<\/span> Anyways,<\/span> so<\/span> the<\/span> fight,<\/span> flight<\/span> or<\/span> freeze.<\/span> Most<\/span> of<\/span> us<\/span> have<\/span> heard<\/span> about<\/span> that.<\/span> And<\/span> the<\/span> most<\/span> common<\/span> response<\/span> in<\/span> a<\/span> traumatic<\/span> situation,<\/span> which<\/span> is<\/span> exactly<\/span> similar<\/span> to<\/span> people<\/span> in<\/span> a<\/span> war<\/span> situation,<\/span> is<\/span> that<\/span> they<\/span> freeze<\/span> or<\/span> they<\/span> dissociate.<\/span> And<\/span> so<\/span> it's<\/span> important<\/span> that<\/span> survivors<\/span> understand<\/span> that<\/span> because<\/span> sometimes<\/span> survivors<\/span> also<\/span> look<\/span> back<\/span> after<\/span> what's<\/span> happened<\/span> and<\/span> think<\/span> to<\/span> themselves,<\/span> \"Why<\/span> didn't<\/span> I<\/span> scream?<\/span> Why<\/span> didn't<\/span> I<\/span> fight?<\/span> Why<\/span> didn't<\/span> I<\/span> do<\/span> more?\"<\/span> And<\/span> we<\/span> need<\/span> to<\/span> help<\/span> them<\/span> understand<\/span> this<\/span> very<\/span> clear<\/span> science<\/span> around<\/span> the<\/span> physiology.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: It's<\/span> also<\/span> important<\/span> to<\/span> do<\/span> no<\/span> harm.<\/span> And<\/span> I<\/span> don't<\/span> think<\/span> any<\/span> of<\/span> us<\/span> intend<\/span> to<\/span> do<\/span> harm,<\/span> but<\/span> we<\/span> need<\/span> to<\/span> think<\/span> about<\/span> what<\/span> does<\/span> empowerment<\/span> really<\/span> mean<\/span> when<\/span> somebody<\/span> has<\/span> been<\/span> ultimately<\/span> disempowered.<\/span> We<\/span> need<\/span> to<\/span> provide<\/span> people<\/span> with<\/span> the<\/span> information<\/span> they<\/span> need<\/span> in<\/span> order<\/span> to<\/span> make<\/span> decisions.<\/span> We<\/span> need<\/span> to<\/span> not<\/span> force<\/span> anything.<\/span> And<\/span> we<\/span> need<\/span> to<\/span> understand<\/span> that<\/span> survivors<\/span> are<\/span> the<\/span> experts<\/span> of<\/span> what<\/span> what<\/span> they<\/span> need<\/span> and<\/span> we<\/span> need<\/span> to<\/span> listen<\/span> to<\/span> them.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: I<\/span> will<\/span> mention,<\/span> I<\/span> might've<\/span> already<\/span> skipped<\/span> over<\/span> this,<\/span> but<\/span> I<\/span> was<\/span> really<\/span> happy<\/span> to<\/span> see<\/span> in<\/span> your<\/span> narrative<\/span> from<\/span> advanced<\/span> ed's<\/span> take<\/span> on<\/span> the<\/span> policies.<\/span> In<\/span> the<\/span> early<\/span> days<\/span> of<\/span> some<\/span> of<\/span> the<\/span> institution's<\/span> policy,<\/span> some<\/span> institutions<\/span> were<\/span> struggling<\/span> with<\/span> the<\/span> WorkSafe<\/span> BC<\/span> mandate<\/span> that<\/span> in<\/span> a<\/span> work<\/span> setting<\/span> if<\/span> somebody<\/span> was<\/span> aware<\/span> of<\/span> harassment<\/span> or<\/span> bullying,<\/span> it<\/span> must<\/span> be<\/span> reported.<\/span> And<\/span> we<\/span> thought<\/span> that<\/span> actually<\/span> does<\/span> harm<\/span> to<\/span> people.<\/span> And<\/span> so<\/span> we<\/span> went<\/span> to<\/span> WorkSafe<\/span> BC<\/span> and<\/span> we<\/span> asked<\/span> if<\/span> there<\/span> was<\/span> any<\/span> way<\/span> that<\/span> we<\/span> could<\/span> have<\/span> them<\/span> amend<\/span> the<\/span> policy<\/span> because<\/span> when<\/span> you're<\/span> talking<\/span> about<\/span> sexual<\/span> assault,<\/span> you<\/span> don't<\/span> want<\/span> somebody<\/span> to<\/span> have<\/span> to<\/span> be<\/span> compelled<\/span> to<\/span> be<\/span> reporting<\/span> it<\/span> or<\/span> even<\/span> disclosing<\/span> it<\/span> or<\/span> somebody<\/span> doing<\/span> that<\/span> without<\/span> their<\/span> consent.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: And<\/span> so<\/span> they<\/span> said<\/span> they<\/span> couldn't<\/span> really<\/span> issue<\/span> anything<\/span> on<\/span> their<\/span> website.<\/span> But<\/span> what<\/span> they<\/span> did<\/span> is<\/span> they<\/span> provided<\/span> us<\/span> with<\/span> a<\/span> workaround,<\/span> something<\/span> in<\/span> writing<\/span> that's<\/span> solid.<\/span> So<\/span> if<\/span> any<\/span> of<\/span> you<\/span> are<\/span> an<\/span> institution<\/span> where<\/span> your<\/span> legal<\/span> counsel<\/span> is<\/span> suggesting<\/span> that<\/span> WorkSafe<\/span> BC<\/span> policy<\/span> is<\/span> the<\/span> thing<\/span> that<\/span> you<\/span> have<\/span> to<\/span> abide<\/span> by,<\/span> we<\/span> have<\/span> an<\/span> answer<\/span> to<\/span> that.<\/span> That's<\/span> been<\/span> provided<\/span> by<\/span> WorkSafe<\/span> BC<\/span> because<\/span> they<\/span> understand<\/span> that<\/span> they<\/span> never<\/span> meant<\/span> for<\/span> their<\/span> policy<\/span> to<\/span> do<\/span> harm.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous :I<\/span> know<\/span> that<\/span> I'm<\/span> running<\/span> out<\/span> of<\/span> time<\/span> so<\/span> I'll<\/span> try<\/span> to<\/span> speed<\/span> up,<\/span> but<\/span> I<\/span> don't<\/span> want<\/span> to<\/span> speed<\/span> up<\/span> about<\/span> the<\/span> importance<\/span> of<\/span> cultural<\/span> safety<\/span> and<\/span> in<\/span> all<\/span> the<\/span> ways<\/span> that<\/span> means<\/span> for<\/span> individuals.<\/span> Cultural<\/span> safety<\/span> is<\/span> a<\/span> term<\/span> that<\/span> indigenous<\/span> communities<\/span> have<\/span> come<\/span> up<\/span> with<\/span> that<\/span> is<\/span> looking<\/span> at<\/span> challenging<\/span> unequal<\/span> power<\/span> relations.<\/span> And<\/span> I<\/span> think<\/span> it's<\/span> important<\/span> for<\/span> us<\/span> to<\/span> think<\/span> about<\/span> and<\/span> as<\/span> many<\/span> indigenous<\/span> ways<\/span> of<\/span> being,<\/span> indigenous<\/span> law,<\/span> indigenous<\/span> ways<\/span> of<\/span> knowing,<\/span> if<\/span> we<\/span> followed<\/span> many<\/span> of<\/span> the<\/span> indigenous<\/span> practices,<\/span> I<\/span> think<\/span> we'd<\/span> all<\/span> be<\/span> better<\/span> off.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: And<\/span> I<\/span> think,<\/span> what<\/span> is<\/span> culturally<\/span> safe<\/span> to<\/span> a<\/span> gender<\/span> non-binary<\/span> person<\/span> who's<\/span> just<\/span> come<\/span> out<\/span> at<\/span> school<\/span> whose<\/span> parents<\/span> don't<\/span> know<\/span> that<\/span> yet?<\/span> What<\/span> is<\/span> culturally<\/span> safe<\/span> to<\/span> an<\/span> international<\/span> student<\/span> who's<\/span> here<\/span> on<\/span> a<\/span> visa<\/span> who<\/span> worries<\/span> that<\/span> if<\/span> her<\/span> parents<\/span> find<\/span> out<\/span> that<\/span> she's<\/span> been<\/span> sexually<\/span> assaulted,<\/span> she'll<\/span> have<\/span> to<\/span> quit<\/span> school<\/span> and<\/span> she'll<\/span> have<\/span> to<\/span> go<\/span> back?<\/span> So<\/span> in<\/span> all<\/span> the<\/span> cultural<\/span> ways<\/span> of<\/span> cultural<\/span> safety,<\/span> I<\/span> think<\/span> we<\/span> need<\/span> to<\/span> be<\/span> alive<\/span> to<\/span> that.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: We<\/span> need<\/span> to<\/span> go<\/span> slow.<\/span> I<\/span> think<\/span> sometimes,<\/span> and<\/span> no<\/span> offense<\/span> to<\/span> our<\/span> security<\/span> partners<\/span> because<\/span> there<\/span> are<\/span> some<\/span> of<\/span> those<\/span> security<\/span> people<\/span> that<\/span> I<\/span> know<\/span> in<\/span> love<\/span> ...<\/span> Glenn's<\/span> back<\/span> there<\/span> somewhere<\/span> from<\/span> BCIT,<\/span> there<\/span> can<\/span> be<\/span> a<\/span> tendency<\/span> to<\/span> want<\/span> to<\/span> rush<\/span> to<\/span> protect<\/span> and<\/span> to<\/span> intervene.<\/span> And<\/span> I<\/span> think<\/span> it's<\/span> really<\/span> important<\/span> to<\/span> respond<\/span> to<\/span> a<\/span> disclosure<\/span> even<\/span> if<\/span> it<\/span> didn't<\/span> just<\/span> happen<\/span> as<\/span> if<\/span> it<\/span> just<\/span> happened,<\/span> because<\/span> that<\/span> may<\/span> be<\/span> the<\/span> first<\/span> time<\/span> that<\/span> the<\/span> survivor<\/span> has<\/span> ever<\/span> told<\/span> anybody<\/span> and<\/span> she's<\/span> going<\/span> to<\/span> be<\/span> just<\/span> or<\/span> he's<\/span> going<\/span> to<\/span> be<\/span> just<\/span> as<\/span> traumatized<\/span> telling<\/span> you<\/span> as<\/span> when<\/span> it<\/span> happened.<\/span> Because<\/span> we<\/span> store<\/span> that<\/span> trauma<\/span> in<\/span> our<\/span> body<\/span> and<\/span> so<\/span> we<\/span> have<\/span> to<\/span> respect<\/span> the<\/span> person<\/span> has<\/span> been<\/span> hurt<\/span> physically<\/span> and<\/span> mentally<\/span> and<\/span> spiritually.<\/span> And<\/span> being<\/span> traumatized<\/span> in<\/span> this<\/span> way<\/span> also<\/span> affects<\/span> our<\/span> brain<\/span> function,<\/span> especially<\/span> early<\/span> on.<\/span> Confusion<\/span> and<\/span> sort<\/span> of<\/span> disordered<\/span> thoughts<\/span> is<\/span> very<\/span> common.<\/span> It<\/span> doesn't<\/span> mean<\/span> to<\/span> say<\/span> that<\/span> person's<\/span> stupid,<\/span> just<\/span> means<\/span> to<\/span> say<\/span> they've<\/span> been<\/span> traumatized<\/span> and<\/span> they<\/span> need<\/span> some<\/span> help<\/span> and<\/span> they<\/span> need<\/span> some<\/span> time.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: Obviously,<\/span> this<\/span> has<\/span> been<\/span> said<\/span> before,<\/span> confidentiality<\/span> is<\/span> really<\/span> important,<\/span> but<\/span> we<\/span> also<\/span> have<\/span> to<\/span> be<\/span> honest<\/span> about<\/span> what<\/span> isn't<\/span> confidential.<\/span> We<\/span> don't<\/span> want<\/span> to<\/span> receive<\/span> an<\/span> entire<\/span> disclosure<\/span> from<\/span> a<\/span> survivor<\/span> only<\/span> then<\/span> to<\/span> tell<\/span> them,<\/span> \"Oh<\/span> by<\/span> the<\/span> way,<\/span> I<\/span> have<\/span> to<\/span> report<\/span> this.\"<\/span> So<\/span> we<\/span> need<\/span> to<\/span> find<\/span> a<\/span> nuanced<\/span> way<\/span> early<\/span> enough<\/span> in<\/span> the<\/span> disclosure<\/span> to<\/span> say,<\/span> \"I<\/span> want<\/span> to<\/span> be<\/span> with<\/span> you<\/span> throughout<\/span> this<\/span> whole<\/span> process.<\/span> I<\/span> want<\/span> to<\/span> support<\/span> you<\/span> in<\/span> every<\/span> way<\/span> possible<\/span> and<\/span> part<\/span> of<\/span> me<\/span> doing<\/span> that<\/span> is<\/span> I<\/span> need<\/span> to<\/span> let<\/span> you<\/span> know<\/span> that<\/span> everything<\/span> you<\/span> say<\/span> will<\/span> be<\/span> confidential<\/span> with<\/span> a<\/span> couple<\/span> of<\/span> exceptions.<\/span> And<\/span> I<\/span> just<\/span> need<\/span> to<\/span> tell<\/span> you<\/span> that<\/span> before<\/span> you<\/span> tell<\/span> me<\/span> anything<\/span> more.\"<\/span> And<\/span> the<\/span> policy<\/span> should<\/span> be<\/span> clear<\/span> about<\/span> that<\/span> and<\/span> I<\/span> agree<\/span> with<\/span> the<\/span> calls<\/span> this<\/span> morning<\/span> about<\/span> the<\/span> policies<\/span> should<\/span> be<\/span> clear<\/span> and<\/span> accessible.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: We<\/span> need<\/span> to<\/span> be<\/span> clear<\/span> with<\/span> them<\/span> also<\/span> about<\/span> the<\/span> reporting<\/span> options.<\/span> I've<\/span> talked<\/span> to<\/span> and<\/span> so<\/span> has<\/span> my<\/span> colleagues<\/span> at<\/span> EVA<\/span> and<\/span> the<\/span> other<\/span> anti-violence<\/span> people<\/span> that<\/span> are<\/span> here<\/span> from<\/span> other<\/span> places<\/span> around<\/span> the<\/span> province<\/span> talk<\/span> to<\/span> students<\/span> who<\/span> were<\/span> never<\/span> told<\/span> they<\/span> could<\/span> report<\/span> to<\/span> the<\/span> police.<\/span> They<\/span> thought<\/span> it<\/span> just<\/span> had<\/span> to<\/span> stay<\/span> within<\/span> the<\/span> school<\/span> or<\/span> were<\/span> never<\/span> told<\/span> that<\/span> there<\/span> was<\/span> such<\/span> a<\/span> thing<\/span> as<\/span> a<\/span> third<\/span> party<\/span> reporting<\/span> option<\/span> that<\/span> actually<\/span> gets<\/span> entered<\/span> into<\/span> the<\/span> prime<\/span> database<\/span> and<\/span> is<\/span> followed<\/span> up<\/span> on<\/span> by<\/span> the<\/span> police.<\/span> Not<\/span> to<\/span> do<\/span> an<\/span> investigation<\/span> but<\/span> to<\/span> see<\/span> if<\/span> there's<\/span> a<\/span> hit<\/span> around<\/span> serial<\/span> offenders,<\/span> not<\/span> to<\/span> compel<\/span> a<\/span> survivor<\/span> to<\/span> do<\/span> anything.<\/span> Kate<\/span> tomorrow<\/span> is<\/span> going<\/span> to<\/span> talk<\/span> more<\/span> about<\/span> third<\/span> party<\/span> reporting<\/span> so<\/span> I<\/span> won't<\/span> say<\/span> anything<\/span> more<\/span> about<\/span> that.<\/span> But<\/span> we<\/span> need<\/span> to<\/span> make<\/span> transparent<\/span> all<\/span> the<\/span> different<\/span> options<\/span> for<\/span> people.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: Another<\/span> thing<\/span> that's<\/span> new<\/span> in<\/span> our<\/span> guidelines<\/span> that<\/span> we<\/span> suggest<\/span> that<\/span> you<\/span> consider<\/span> and<\/span> because<\/span> you're<\/span> charged<\/span> with<\/span> a<\/span> very<\/span> complex<\/span> responsibility<\/span> of<\/span> creating<\/span> a<\/span> safe<\/span> space<\/span> where<\/span> the<\/span> person<\/span> who<\/span> is<\/span> accused<\/span> of<\/span> something<\/span> and<\/span> the<\/span> person<\/span> who's<\/span> been<\/span> hurt<\/span> may<\/span> be<\/span> on<\/span> the<\/span> same<\/span> campus.<\/span> And<\/span> so<\/span> how<\/span> do<\/span> you<\/span> manage<\/span> that?<\/span> And<\/span> so<\/span> one<\/span> of<\/span> the<\/span> things<\/span> that<\/span> we<\/span> thought<\/span> about<\/span> as<\/span> a<\/span> voluntary<\/span> interim<\/span> protection<\/span> order<\/span> where<\/span> both<\/span> parties<\/span> agree<\/span> and<\/span> let's<\/span> say<\/span> the<\/span> person<\/span> that<\/span> has<\/span> done<\/span> the<\/span> harming,<\/span> maybe<\/span> they<\/span> can<\/span> agree<\/span> not<\/span> to<\/span> contact<\/span> the<\/span> person,<\/span> not<\/span> to<\/span> be<\/span> in<\/span> their<\/span> space,<\/span> to<\/span> avoid<\/span> them<\/span> and<\/span> maybe<\/span> other<\/span> accommodations<\/span> can<\/span> happen<\/span> in<\/span> terms<\/span> of<\/span> classes<\/span> and<\/span> schedules<\/span> and<\/span> so<\/span> forth.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: There's<\/span> a<\/span> whole<\/span> range<\/span> of<\/span> accommodations<\/span> that<\/span> you<\/span> guys<\/span> would<\/span> know<\/span> more<\/span> about<\/span> than<\/span> us.<\/span> We<\/span> have<\/span> a<\/span> number<\/span> of<\/span> them<\/span> in<\/span> our<\/span> guidelines<\/span> but<\/span> I<\/span> leave<\/span> that<\/span> to<\/span> you<\/span> to<\/span> be<\/span> thinking<\/span> about<\/span> all<\/span> the<\/span> ways.<\/span> And<\/span> also<\/span> think<\/span> about<\/span> cultural<\/span> accommodations.<\/span> Does<\/span> an<\/span> indigenous<\/span> survivor<\/span> need<\/span> to<\/span> connect<\/span> with<\/span> her<\/span> mom<\/span> or<\/span> aunt<\/span> or<\/span> grandmother?<\/span> Does<\/span> she<\/span> need<\/span> to<\/span> go<\/span> back<\/span> home<\/span> for<\/span> a<\/span> period<\/span> of<\/span> time?<\/span> Does<\/span> she<\/span> need<\/span> to<\/span> have<\/span> some<\/span> time<\/span> off?<\/span> And<\/span> I<\/span> really<\/span> appreciated<\/span> CJ<\/span> talking<\/span> about<\/span> this<\/span> in<\/span> terms<\/span> of<\/span> not<\/span> working<\/span> in<\/span> a<\/span> silo.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: This<\/span> is<\/span> not<\/span> any<\/span> of<\/span> our<\/span> individual<\/span> responsibilities<\/span> to<\/span> figure<\/span> this<\/span> out<\/span> and<\/span> to<\/span> know<\/span> what<\/span> to<\/span> do.<\/span> I<\/span> think<\/span> we're<\/span> stronger<\/span> in<\/span> numbers.<\/span> Survivors<\/span> and<\/span> student<\/span> activists<\/span> are<\/span> stronger<\/span> together<\/span> and<\/span> so<\/span> are<\/span> all<\/span> of<\/span> us,<\/span> administrators<\/span> and<\/span> students<\/span> and<\/span> activists<\/span> and<\/span> anti-violence<\/span> people.<\/span> In<\/span> every<\/span> town<\/span> where<\/span> there's<\/span> a<\/span> campus,<\/span> there<\/span> is<\/span> a<\/span> community-based<\/span> victim<\/span> assistance<\/span> program<\/span> who<\/span> has<\/span> the<\/span> policy<\/span> responsibility<\/span> by<\/span> the<\/span> Department<\/span> of<\/span> Justice<\/span> in<\/span> the<\/span> province<\/span> to<\/span> be<\/span> the<\/span> response<\/span> to<\/span> sexual<\/span> violence.<\/span> And<\/span> so<\/span> we<\/span> would<\/span> encourage<\/span> you<\/span> like<\/span> don't<\/span> work<\/span> by<\/span> yourselves<\/span> because<\/span> you're<\/span> going<\/span> to<\/span> have<\/span> people<\/span> probably<\/span> within<\/span> five<\/span> kilometers<\/span> of<\/span> your<\/span> campus<\/span> that<\/span> are<\/span> subject<\/span> matter<\/span> experts<\/span> such<\/span> as<\/span> Bally<\/span> in<\/span> Prince<\/span> George<\/span> and<\/span> Parminder<\/span> in<\/span> ...<\/span> Well,<\/span> you're<\/span> not<\/span> Burnaby,<\/span> Vancouver,<\/span> yeah.<\/span> And<\/span> others<\/span> in<\/span> lots<\/span> of<\/span> different<\/span> communities.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: Your<\/span> policies<\/span> should<\/span> line<\/span> up<\/span> with<\/span> the<\/span> spirit<\/span> of<\/span> indigenous<\/span> law<\/span> and<\/span> criminal<\/span> law,<\/span> human<\/span> law,<\/span> human<\/span> rights<\/span> law,<\/span> labor<\/span> law,<\/span> collective<\/span> agreements<\/span> and<\/span> so<\/span> forth,<\/span> which<\/span> I'm<\/span> sure<\/span> your<\/span> lawyers<\/span> are<\/span> trying<\/span> very<\/span> hard<\/span> to<\/span> do<\/span> that.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: I<\/span> also<\/span> think<\/span> this<\/span> is<\/span> a<\/span> workplace<\/span> issue<\/span> and<\/span> it's<\/span> not<\/span> just<\/span> ...<\/span> the<\/span> campuses<\/span> aren't<\/span> just<\/span> learning<\/span> institutions.<\/span> They're<\/span> also<\/span> workplaces<\/span> for<\/span> staff<\/span> and<\/span> faculty<\/span> and<\/span> TAs<\/span> and<\/span> other<\/span> people<\/span> that<\/span> work<\/span> on<\/span> that<\/span> campus.<\/span> And<\/span> this<\/span> is<\/span> an<\/span> interesting<\/span> piece<\/span> of<\/span> research<\/span> that<\/span> was<\/span> done<\/span> by<\/span> Employment<\/span> and<\/span> Social<\/span> Development<\/span> Canada<\/span> in<\/span> 2017<\/span> saying<\/span> that<\/span> the<\/span> top<\/span> risk<\/span> factors<\/span> for<\/span> sexual<\/span> violence<\/span> in<\/span> any<\/span> workplace<\/span> is<\/span> a<\/span> lack<\/span> of<\/span> institutional<\/span> support<\/span> for<\/span> victims.<\/span> Adherence<\/span> to<\/span> traditional<\/span> gender<\/span> roles<\/span> and<\/span> norms<\/span> in<\/span> the<\/span> workplace.<\/span>\r\n\r\nTracy Porteous: Anyways,<\/span> you<\/span> can<\/span> see<\/span> what<\/span> it<\/span> says<\/span> there.<\/span> And<\/span> so<\/span> I<\/span> would<\/span> say<\/span> that<\/span> there<\/span> are<\/span> a<\/span> number<\/span> of<\/span> foundational<\/span> pillars<\/span> around<\/span> listening<\/span> and<\/span> believing<\/span> and<\/span> empowering<\/span> and<\/span> I'll<\/span> just<\/span> end<\/span> it<\/span> there<\/span> and<\/span> extend<\/span> my<\/span> appreciation<\/span> to<\/span> the<\/span> the<\/span> team<\/span> that<\/span> created<\/span> this<\/span> event.<\/span> And<\/span> I'm<\/span> really<\/span> honored<\/span> to<\/span> have<\/span> been<\/span> provided<\/span> with<\/span> an<\/span> opportunity.<\/span> EVA<\/span> BC<\/span> is<\/span> a<\/span> resource<\/span> to<\/span> any<\/span> institution<\/span> in<\/span> the<\/span> province.<\/span> And<\/span> so,<\/span> if<\/span> any<\/span> of<\/span> you<\/span> feel<\/span> like<\/span> you<\/span> need<\/span> help<\/span> in<\/span> terms<\/span> of<\/span> training<\/span> or<\/span> policy<\/span> interpretation<\/span> or<\/span> best<\/span> practices<\/span> in<\/span> other<\/span> places,<\/span> call<\/span> Kate.<\/span> Thank<\/span> you.<\/span>","rendered":"

Speaker: Tracey Porteous, Ending Violence Association of BC<\/h2>\n

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